# Thoughts on KURTZ **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908 "2019-05-05T20:03:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Muninn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/muninn/32/16383_2.png) [@Muninn](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Muninn)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/43 "2019-05-10T21:47:49Z")
Post in a topic about the topic. Please don’t try to drive players to other topics you’ve created. It’s considered spam. ---
**Author:** ![Raz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/raz/32/18152_2.png) [@Raz](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Raz)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/44 "2019-05-10T22:25:36Z")
Didn’t mean to, Muninn, will edit. ---
**Author:** ![Ahora](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/ahora/32/4297_2.png) [@Ahora](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Ahora)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/45 "2019-05-10T22:40:22Z")
> [@PNASTY](#): > > does it matter if Kurtz kills them or the opposing team? I think it does, and it only will works when opponent kills an ally. I just tested, didn’t use Dominate, just Execute, killed my Ifrit and this happened: ![Screenshot_20190511-030643](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/gunrise/original/2X/d/dbb28a29a7761374f7e94a845a216bea7f99870d.jpeg) Not sure what that negative effect on opponent team is. ---
**Author:** ![Raz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/raz/32/18152_2.png) [@Raz](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Raz)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/46 "2019-05-10T22:54:16Z")
I think it’s Disorient. ---
**Author:** ![Ahora](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/ahora/32/4297_2.png) [@Ahora](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Ahora)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/47 "2019-05-10T23:10:45Z")
It’s messed up. It has to be from Kurtz but Icon it’s what Panzers gold looks like. Kurtz gold skill: ![Screenshot_20190511-033643~2](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/gunrise/original/2X/2/2ddc86f905ed69d53ef10829bb9a855f470e217a.jpeg) Panzer gold skill: ![Screenshot_20190511-033853](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/gunrise/original/2X/9/9a2d77c9b6e71301218c2f5d43bb74edf6ff9c3a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![RoZin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/rozin/32/6674_2.png) [@RoZin](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/RoZin)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 3:21am UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/48 "2019-05-11T03:21:25Z")
I’d really like to know the devs thoughts. Are you aware how op he is? What is the reasoning in having a rare 7 star hero so overpowered? Aside from a 30 second stun, Maxed his silver skill adds 1.35m health to allies and 50k attack damage. Was this an oversight or did you deliberately release a super op hero knowing it would unbalance the game? These are fair questions… ---
**Author:** ![Gleesh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/gleesh/32/13338_2.png) [@Gleesh](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Gleesh)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/49 "2019-05-14T13:12:57Z")
Just kill kurtz first. Really all to it. Ronin, odachi, cinder, kuno can easily take him out. I do it all the time against other kurtz team. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/gunrise/original/2X/2/255d8610c828aa7d0c55f4ff2d1b8e6cda038893.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gleesh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/gleesh/32/13338_2.png) [@Gleesh](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Gleesh)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/50 "2019-05-14T13:15:53Z")
There are times, when i fail to. Its all part of the game… learn to kill him first ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/gunrise/original/2X/e/e5fd38557101cb5ab93d0ea530d44881911a8332.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ahora](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/ahora/32/4297_2.png) [@Ahora](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Ahora)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/51 "2019-05-14T13:34:12Z")
> [@Gleesh](#): > > Just kill kurtz first thats true. as I said before: > [@Ahora](#): > > To win against a Kurtz team, you have to take him out before killing anyone else. **Period**. > [@Gleesh](#): > > Ronin, odachi, cinder, kuno diffrence is that you also have Kurtz, a non Kurtz team with every team, no matter the heros, they wont be able to get the victorty against a skilled player with Kurtz team. this is what we are complaining about. and yes I found some teams that will break Kurtz often, but that team is very squishy against the most common team in the game which is Ronin. people cant use that team hoping to face 2% of the players (Kurtz owners) and win while there is more than 80% chance to get smashed by Ronin teams. ---
**Author:** ![Gleesh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/gleesh/32/13338_2.png) [@Gleesh](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Gleesh)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/52 "2019-05-14T13:40:24Z")
Comes down to skill then lol. If you having trouble killing kurtz, gotta practice. If you have squishy teams… add phalanx, butter, heim or even kobold… That should help with the health problems… ---
**Author:** ![Ahora](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/ahora/32/4297_2.png) [@Ahora](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Ahora)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 1:55pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/53 "2019-05-14T13:55:44Z")
> [@Gleesh](#): > > Comes down to skill then This is ignorant, you are ignoring the fact that Kurtz is extremely OP. it’s not about skill anymore, he is way more OP than Panzer ever was. > [@Gleesh](#): > > If you having trouble killing kurtz I have Kurtz, I don’t need to play with others team’s when I have him. ---
**Author:** ![Gleesh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/gleesh/32/13338_2.png) [@Gleesh](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Gleesh)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/54 "2019-05-14T14:06:06Z")
People shouldn’t be asking for nerfs every time a hero comes out smh. Just cus a small percentage of people cant beat a team or hero… Unless it is overboard like first panzer. Kurtz has his pros/cons ---
**Author:** ![Raz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/raz/32/18152_2.png) [@Raz](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Raz)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/55 "2019-05-14T14:54:34Z")
Kurtz may be good, but most simply don’t even worry about him, which is bad. he’s a priority kill OVER Flatline! ---
**Author:** ![Muninn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/muninn/32/16383_2.png) [@Muninn](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Muninn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/56 "2019-05-14T23:56:05Z")
Play nice. Let’s not attack each other, shall we? ---
**Author:** ![RoZin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/rozin/32/6674_2.png) [@RoZin](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/RoZin)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2019, 3:21am UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/57 "2019-05-15T03:21:57Z")
Usually I agree with you bud. But Kurtz isn’t a standard hero. He’s 7 star. At least with Panzer, everyone had access to get her and the choice to level her up… But a 7 star hero hero with a 30 second stun who kills your whole team the moment you kill one of his… Ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![RoZin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/rozin/32/6674_2.png) [@RoZin](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/RoZin)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/60 "2019-05-27T17:34:27Z")
@Muninn. Are you really not going to nerf Kurtz? This is ridiculous. There is no way anyone can argue that he is even remotely balanced. Why release a 7 star hero that is this op? Is there an explanation as to why have a 7star hero that will kill your whole team if you kill one of his… A stun that last 30 seconds… What could possibly be the reasoning? At least if he was 3 or 5, anyone could have a reasonable chance to get him so it wouldn’t matter how op he is… We would have the opportunity to get him and level him. ---
**Author:** ![Ahora](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/ahora/32/4297_2.png) [@Ahora](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Ahora)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/61 "2019-05-27T17:50:09Z")
At this moment Kurtz is extremely bugged, his Silver is unreliable and you gonna lose a lot of matches because of it, you got only 10% chance to get use of his **Execute** two words that I can describe Kurtz with (atm): **Unreliable and Frustrating** But it doesn’t change the fact that he is OP. ---
**Author:** ![RoZin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/rozin/32/6674_2.png) [@RoZin](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/RoZin)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/62 "2019-05-27T18:05:36Z")
That actually solidifies my point. Even a broken Kurtz is still way too op. We have guys in my alliance that go 300 wins without having to use any revives w broken Kurtz teams. It’s disgusting and flat out offensive that HH would release a hero like this. Alot of us have spent serious money to help support this game, to release a hero like this is straight up BS. ---
**Author:** ![Ahora](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/ahora/32/4297_2.png) [@Ahora](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/Ahora)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/63 "2019-05-27T18:19:27Z")
> [@RoZin](#): > > It’s disgusting and flat out offensive that HH would release a hero like this. I started to believe this is the way this game will go, don’t be surprise if they release another OP hero like Kurtz or even worse in future. ---
**Author:** ![RoZin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/hhforum.superchargemobile.app/rozin/32/6674_2.png) [@RoZin](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/u/RoZin)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908/64 "2019-05-27T18:48:38Z")
I mean honestly, do you feel any satisfaction winning with him? It’s not like anyone can say they’re good at pvp if they’re winning with Kurtz. It’s like bringing a shotgun to a fist fight. [Previous page](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908.md?page=2) [Next page](https://hhforum.superchargemobile.app/t/thoughts-on-kurtz/12908.md?page=4)