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I see what you are saying, but I always look at power too, not just what color they are.
Is there any information on how a character performs with 10k power , at 10* bronze compared to 8* plat? Does the basic damage increase enough at 10*, to make also having all the extra skills at 8* Plat, mean less? Right now I don’t know, so you might be 100% right.[/quote]
It depends more on the hero than anything. For instance Panzer is really well suited to stay at bronze since her silver, and especially gold abilities aren’t that good in PVP. Actually her gold is pretty much useless since she instantly kills an opponent and the other team will rarely have more heroes alive.
It’s really frustrating that the devs have let Panzer go unchecked as long as they have. In most other games, a character that is as OP as Panzer would have been hot fixed within a few days. To make it worse Panzer isn’t some crazy character that requires a ton of skill to use and unlock her full potential. Pretty much anyone can slam their Breach and Clear button towards an energy hero, then sit with the auto fire held down aiming in the general vicinity of an opponent to kill the next one. It basically has come down to who spent the most, or sat in chat the most “carrying” people to gather Panzer frags for their auto wins.
OK, so not strictly color/rank issue, but added on top of, again a design issue.
Yeah, I don’t get the not nerfing her right away, just seems like a few number changes.
I never could understand wanting to be carried. Maybe first time to get the bonus frag, but after that, you get more trading even a few difficulty lower.
Trading allows panzer and some other heroes to become way too powerful to easily
in most cases I run into panzer between seven and 10 stars
Been grinding since game Launch
I don’t care how many universal fragments you stockpile 10 star for New Just added hero
That you didn’t require luck of a crate drop
10 star hero would take a while even at 20+ fragment today
should’ve been addressed by now
Yeah my bad didn’t mean to call out names just frustrated by the lack of attention that’s hindering me from fully enjoying my time playing hero hunters
I understand. I am not hugely into PvP anyway, so might be part of why it doesn’t bother me as much.
Trading just means 10 frags a day, really not much. If they can’t do hardest one, trading mid one still gives 6. I don’t see why they want to give someone 5 frags and actually lose 1 themselves, being carried. 3 if they can do second highest.
They tried to limit more 10* with heronium, but that still leaves up to 60 of each element a day they can save, for new characters. Maybe needs a limit on max frags you can have saved. That would at least slow it down some at the start.
Really though, other people having 10* doesn’t bother me much, since I Have Dog at 10* and Mandrake at 9*, and that is it. I shouldn’t be facing to many 10* if they are geared too. I stopped trying on Panzer when she hit 8* and plat a week or more ago, since she is my 3rd highest power with that.
Don’t get me wrong, but you don’t like PvP, or carrying players?
So there should be a limit on frags?
You were making some decent points but these last 2 comments just made no sense, because you don’t play PvP others should get a limit?
So either you should play PvP or don’t complain about PvP, why add a new limit to people who just do a PVP match once in a while, this really doesn’t make sense, this whole post is about panzer being to OP in PVP, and now you say I don’t play PvP?
I don’t have the patience to try and get people to carry, I don’t even take freebies in Alliance. Edit: it doesn’t bother me people do it, just makes no sense to me, that people want it.
I don’t think I ever complained about PvP. Even though I don’t like PvP a whole lot, I do however play PvP to top 1000, I just don’t necessarily care if I don’t make it.
No, I said IF they wanted to limit 10* like heronium was intended, they would probably need to put a cap. Later I said I personally don’t care if others get 10*, since it doesn’t really affect me much anyway. I rarely see 10* was my point, since I only have Dog there, and he has low power rating.
so let’s get a fix up Jesus Panzer killed dogface Instantly
if panzer only instantly killed energy heroes I just take Energy completely out of my lineup I assume that’s with the developers want me to do
But to blatantly be able to kill any faction where is the update
The PVP event going on right now just makes the whole Panzer situation ten times worse. Instead of it being 5v5 and her instantly making it 4v5 or 3v5, it’s 3v3 and she makes it 2v3 or even 1v3.
Think about how ridiculous it would be if Dogface started a match with Heavy Calibur and 18 shots. Then add to that another 50-100k hp, plus an extra 2k mechanical damage on each shot. Seems pretty absurd, right? That’s basically Panzer right now. Keep in mind Dog is no slouch when it comes to this game as is…
Why the devs are waiting so long to do anything about her is beyond me. You would think the literal hundreds of screenshot showing her decimating teams, the devastation event where EVERY team had Panzer and the devs got rolled by her, and all the complaining would have ensured a hot fix.
The problem with Panzer is they didn’t put any sort of checks on her. Her initial burst damage wouldn’t be as bad if she was weak on the defense. Most other high DPs characters (Odachi, Sentry, Kunoichi, Clyde, etc.) are easily focus fired down. Panzer isn’t though. She not only has insanely high DPS at the start of a match (most crucial point), but she also has good survivability too. Her health is double what my similar Odachi is. For a character who can insta kill another hero at the start of the match, her health should be even lower than heroes like Odachi and Clyde.
I use to really enjoy PVP. Sure it has been imbalanced for awhile (10 or so characters dominate the field), and sure the match making needs some work, but it has just gotten much worse with Panzer. Now a match pretty much boils down to who has the stronger Panzer on their team. Even when I play her and win I don’t feel very accomplished. It’s not like I was more skilled than my opponent most of the time. I just had a better Panzer.
I don’t expect all 59 characters to be equal in PVP, but having less than half a dozen be competitive and making one a must have isn’t good for the game. I’m really hoping with the health and balance update it fixes a lot of these issues that have been growing for awhile now.
in the 3vs3, I just had my full life Nightingale kill, a full life Panzer 1 on 1. Both 8* Plat, I had skin.
Was the no elemental bonus, and his bad discussion though, not my skill that won. Still though, probably the most enjoyment I got out of PvP in a long time. He didn’t have a full clip, but hit me a few times with it, and then used Bronze. I would have been toast if he just refilled clip waiting for Bronze, and nailed me at full life, and then unloaded on me.
I play at this power level too and holy I just don’t care anymore. Devs should give points the loser if they face panzer regardless who wins. It’s just broken now. With 3v3 panzer can take out one and severely damage another, regardless of color, on the first clip, just using Auto with focus, without manual aiming. With nightingale + skin holy it’s rage inducing.
Come on devs. This is just stupid. My 2 year old can match colors and numbers better than your matchmaker. If someone uses something like plat + bronze, just give him a Bot with mirror compositions + 1 to 2 stars on each character to discourage the mofo. Let’s see if they keeps doing this .
I’m with it guys if they have such a powerful hero then shadow copy to my team
but the brawls tournament with Panzer is terrible almost all energy characters and yes panzer can kill two with one shot at the beginning of the match this tournament sucks
Developers know what to doing
they test this stuff their insulting us by staying quiet That’s how corporations work long is there’s profit being made they’ll stay quiet no matter how much we complain panzer shit has been going on for over a month
It’s ironic that this is the reason why I have no intention of leveling her anymore, because I know the nerfbat is going to come down hard on her.
My only hope is that this is a learning experience for the developers, and to make sure to do proper testing in the future before releasing characters this broken in to the wild. Because people are not going to continue to fall for this type of “money sink” scenario over and over again.
I absolutely agree. I am not leveling her up either. She will be nerfed and adjusted, and her legend will go on in the book. I couldn’t remember how many times my energy heroes have been nailed in a few seconds of the game lol.
Me too. I unlocked her early, made her Gold, no buyer’s remorse, I had great help from her during the UAF month… Now everyone keeps saying I should Platinum her - but not gonna invest more in her until I see the outcome of the rebalance work.
I just don’t care anymore. Devs should give points the loser if they face panzer regardless who wins. It’s just broken now. With 3v3 panzer can take out one and severely damage another, regardless of color, on the first clip, just using Auto with focus, without manual aiming. With nightingale + skin holy 
it’s rage inducing.
