Right? She does very good damage to every single target on the battlefield, and her silver does very good damage as a finisher. She is routinely my highest damager, and I run her with Panzer. If people don’t think she’s OP, that’s because they haven’t seen her used right, IMO.
She is here for almost 7 months and top brackets players can level her with heronium they dont need to depend on whether or not she is in pvp.
I dont think you were there when Panzer was OP otherwise you wouldnt be talking like this, thats the definition of how OP looks like, same goes for ifrit. Siren isnt near OP and when you get stronger you may realize that, playing in your bracket and in few top brackets is different story.
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I made top 20 in brawl where everyone had the same level team. I’ve never done that with any team except the siren team.
Was that in top bracket? 2nd bracket?
We dont need another fortress, that was excellent hero until they decided to nerf him, now he is useless, if they do it to siren she will be fortress 2.0
I don’t think the normalized brawl has brackets. Since everyone has the same level heroes ur all in the same bracket.
The only people I lost to had Shivs or Kurtz teams.
Right, you mean draft. But anyway higher you go it will be harder and harder to win with siren what do you think why she isnt popular in higher brackets.
People complain abt shivs as well but she isnt that hard to beat
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Just saw how much pwr your siren has and if you team her up with 4 heroes with similar pwr thats 20k team max which means its not surprise you cant lose playing regular tournaments (not draft) since most of them have no idea how to play against her.
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My teams are in the 40k range. Most of the teams I put together in that power range have about a 90% win rate. My Siren team is like 97 or 98%, I almost never lose (and almost never lose any hearts). The fact that my win rate with her is so much better than any other team I have, plus I made it to the top 20 in brawl (I think it was called brawl, not draft, but I could be mistaken), tells me a lot.
You can also just look at her abilities and the damage output and that will tell you a lot of the story - at plat her siren song does top tier damage (as far as abilities go), and it does it to every single character on the battlefield. Then she can hit them with her bronze, which does amped up damage when you hit someone who’s been hit with siren song. She’s a damage powerhouse.
Yes but she is still super easy to kill which makes up for high damage and like i said the stronger the teams less effect she has on pvp match, thats why i keep mentioning pwr. She doesnt need a nerf.
It was brawl draft, only in draft heroes are at the same level.
Anyway, and ill finish it here, you should wait and get some more pwr and get to play against stronger opponents before you call someone should get nerfed.
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If I’m at a lower level and a character can make my team so much better than it takes my win rate from 9 out of 10 to 97 out of 100 (i.e. makes my win rate about 10 times better), I think I can make the call that she is OP. If I play a draft and one character takes me from a top 40% player to a top 20 player, I think I can make the call that she is OP.
She does more damage than the Savage/Halo combo, and she is much easier to pull off (just one character instead of two). I think I can make the call that she is OP.
I usually crush siren teams. She is so easy to kill and her skills take a while to charge up. I run an astrix team that does very well. When I run against astrix teams they usually do poorly. It is all in how you play.
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Perhaps Nerdbydesign, but there are ways to protect her: Heimlock, Mandrake, Halo, Flatline, Baron, Phalanx, Min, etc… She’s not that easy to take out with a few of those guys around.
Also, any team can be crushed by the appropriate counter/matchup. Perhaps the team you main Nerd is good at killing Siren teams, but struggles against other teams. I don’t believe there is any perfect team that beats everything.
My point was siren is not OP. In general, I only have issues when paired against crazy min max teams. I tend to run whatever ends up being a balanced and synergistic team using as many bonus faction heroes as I can. If you play well, you can beat most teams as long as you have a team with good synergy. Just gotta pick who to take out first, 2nd, 3rd etc. Know the timing of when certain people use their skills etc.
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Except you are leaving out one important detail, and that is that her song only lasts 4 seconds and has a 40% chance per hero to continue an additional 6 seconds. So to “win a match in 8 seconds” is actually needing to casts Siren Song twice, and waiting for it to recharge, which can take up to 40 seconds. In a single casts it will only likely kill 2 heroes, maybe more if they are bio and she gets the full song channeled.
Regardless Siren isn’t really an issue. In the top brackets right now she is only in 2 of the top 10 teams, and 10 of the top 50. If she was really OP, she would be in nearly every one of them like Panzer was when she was first released. Instead we have a tournament going on where she gains bonus points, and she is not even in the top 25% of teams.
And here are some more examples of me crushing Siren teams with another burst DPS or two:
And for the record, I think Kurtz needs to be nerfed. I am easily going 50+ wins in the top brackets, under 100 rank without much trouble using the team above. If i can Dominate it’s pretty much game over.
Yeah, Kurtz is definitely broken. He’s the most ridiculous character in the game right now.
Leech, but if Kurtz is broken, and all these wins are with Kurtz…? Kind of pokes a whole in your argument.
Yes, Siren Song only lasts 4 seconds 60% of the time, and 10 seconds 40% of the time, so I exaggerated, a little, but let’s not forget I also didn’t factor in that the other 4 enemy heroes will also presumably be causing damage too, and elemental bonus damage. So even if Siren Song is only 80-90% killing everyone, they’re still all dead.
I have beat Siren teams too, but does something really have to be UNBEATABLE to be OP?
As I think Grasher said earlier, Siren does what Savage + Halo does, and she does it by herself, while silencing and dealing more damage. I would think if they brought the damage of the plat skill down like 5-8% she would still be a good hero.
She actually has a very high chance of getting the 6 second song boost if she channels long enough. She has a 40% chance every second of applying a 6 second siren song, so, if she channels for:
One second, she has a 40% chance of applying one 6 second song
Two seconds, she has a (1 - 0.6^2) chance of applying at least one six second song, or a 64% chance
Three seconds, she has a (1 - 0.6^3) chance of applying at least one six second song, or a 78% chance
Four seconds, she has a (1 - 0.6^4) chance of applying at least one six second song, or a 87% chance
If this were the ol’ probability class I could give you a breakdown of expected damage for each second channeled, but I’m too lazy to do that nowadays. It’s pretty high, though.
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oh…good job Grasher
I have also beaten Siren teams with Panzer plenty of times, like I showed in the pictures before, and she is hardly OP now. Kurtz just makes it easy mode.
As for Siren’s Song, that’s true it can last much longer since the 40% chance is per tick and per hero, but it’s also super easy to interrupt as I said before. Just off the top of my head for current meta heroes, Caine, Panzer, Kuno, Ronin, and Flatline can stun or silence on demand to stop her from casting. Mandrake, Mauler, and Night can also have a chance to stun. On top of that she is super easy to flinch with Siren’s low hp, which will interrupt her.
Comparing Halo+Savage to Siren isn’t really an apples to apples comparison. Halo can also heal a decent amount and increases the entire teams damage, while having a decent damage ability herself. Savage got nerfed too hard and isn’t as good as he once was, but he also can heal, disorient, and slow movement speed on top of his damage. Both heroes have much more hp than Siren as well. All Siren does is massive damage and can silence. The comparison is like saying Flatline+Nightingale is the same as Ifrit because Ifrit can heal and revive like those two combined. Never mind the fact his heal sucks and revive only works once per hero and brings them back with next to no health
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