This is my first time posting, so I hope you realize how upsetting this is. I’m almost VIP9, but I won’t be spending money again once this goes into affect.
To get 8 frags on DAY ONE you will need to trade and both players will need to refresh once, and that’s IF you get 2 frags on level 35 and 3 frags on level 55. I don’t play this game to gamble like that, but if I did, I can say these are not odds I would bet on.
You’re going to kill off trading completely for many people, and that will affect your community as a whole. There won’t be ANY refreshing when you unlock level 85. We will trade and be at our daily limit and log off. Gold usage will be minimal, so gold purchases will be minimal as well. And I don’t believe you will have enough players spending $30 monthly to make up for the loss. At level 70, only ONE person will need to refresh, so people who know each other will trade back and forth between days on who will refresh, thus causing problems with trading in VIP and global, and stopping people from interacting with new faces.
I’ve seen this happen to some really good games in the past, but sadly, HH will be one of my favorites when I look back at “mobile games I quit playing because of terrible management decisions.”
I’m not against making it harder to get new heroes. I’ve always wondered why you gave your bread and butter out for free every month, but this isn’t the change we needed. I hope you see your errors before it spirals out of control.
So what would you suggest?
The “give bread and butter for free” model?
The “strictly pay to early unlock” model?
Or this new model presented here which is, as I see it, a nice compromise between the two states above?
Strictly pay to early to unlock means you only miss one bounty if u don’t want to pay. But for those of us who are willing to pay, why penalize us as well?
Bro, can you just work out how many days it will take to unlock 60 frags, assuming no resets. (Tip, no it is not 8 days 8 frags per day equals 64 frags). Actually work it out my friend.
Then work out the cost to get 8 frags per day since day 1, up to 60 frags.
I think what might be suggested here for payers being penalized is that it’s usually cheaper to pay via resets than to pay $30 for a hero.
If my math is correct, if you reset without doing any trades, it will cost you 1400 gold which can be done in one days time; whereas $30, which was the going rate for Bucket, equates to roughly 2000 gold. With the new system even payers who are trying to get the new hero on the cheap can’t do it and will have to just wait.
I don’t exactly hate the new proposed system but I don’t get the 8 frag limit. Why not 12 so we can trade like others have suggested?
If you guys all read this, the reason for this change is to address the idea that Bucket clogged up the hero specific bounties which is really the key issue. If that means they make the hero barely available before bounty or during it, but weaker I’m fine with that. I believe the goal here is to give paying players the event hero early to get them to 8-10 stars plat while others who unlock the hero naturally wont have much time to upgrade them. Sure that hero doesnt get the bonus it normally gets if you dont plan, but at least it allows you to attack hero specific bounties and imo, thats the more major issue with all this.
The other solution in my mind is the limit the max amount of event hero specific bounties that can drop to 5 at once so it doesnt clog it entirely. Last bounty I didnt unlock Bucket early (i pay for things, but 30 bucks for one hero thats untested is not how I like to spend it) and had very few options about half way through bounty to even attack anyone. Ultimately my numbers suffered. If my numbers suffered a little, but less overall because I didnt have the event hero at max I would accept that.
Remember, the devs HAVE to find a way to make money to keep releasing content. Once you hit a certain point in this game, you can play without spending money and still stay relevant. Most feel thats fair since youve put your money in, but if they cant find some people who will still pay to unlock things the content starts to roll in less and less and the game dies. They need to find a balance. I can tell they are trying here. People need to stop complaining about the change before its even in game when they are clearly trying to fix an issue we all see. Wait on pitchforks until after we see what they implement.
That’s a fair criticism.
However we don’t know if they’re gonna increase cost for resetting raids. Or make heroes cheaper than 30 dollars. God knows they might even throw some gear and / or bucks along with our hero purchase.
And exactly what was wrong with the way it was before bucket came out. Ya came out with bucket to have to spend to get her for the first bounty so you could release this as a better system but still have spend or use up gold to get the new hero for the first bounty. Basically taking the straight up grinders who don’t spend or use their gold for minimal frags out of the picture to have the new hero for the first bounty. It is what it is And I’m sure won’t be charged again in the near future just seems sad this is the way you guys are doing stuff now to get more money from what it seems.
I have to agree with Papa_Marsh on this. I like whats being done with the currency, but the frag limit on the new hero is a huge downfall. If you do this, either set the limit of frags to be at least the same as trading the hardest level. Also, if I feel the alternative frags should be from the featured faction.
Also, while everyone is busy considering the implications of the new hero frags limit per day, they fail to understand the benefits of obtaining random frags once that limit is reached.
How about this, instead of freaking out and bashing a feature BEFORE YOU SEE IT IN GAME, you just give it a try. Then you can give the proper feedback to improve the system instead of it’s pre-release.
A couple of things. First, why are some people saying this change will kill off co-op trading? Based on the screenshot, it looks like the frags per level will be:
1x for Level 25+
1-2x for Level 35+
2x for Level 45+
2-3x for Level 55+
3x for Level 70+
3-4x for Level 85+
Even if you get the max 4 frags per try at level 85, you will need to do the raid a minimum of two times to max out. Realistically you will need to do it at least 3 times most days to max out though, if you don’t get the max 4x each try. I think this is an issue in and of itself. So, not only are our frags going from 12 per day (or more with resets) to 8 max, it will usually take 3 trades to hit that 8 max for the new hero. Of course this is just an educated guess since we don’t know the number of frags you get at levels 70 and 85. It might be a guaranteed 4 at 85.
I have to agree with others that changing the max to 10 at level 85 would be a much better direction. That’s still 2 less per day than you get now when you do a trade, but it’s the same as it was at level 70. You also get the bonus frags for other heroes. It seems like a good compromise.
The other issue I see is with the bucks exchange. It seems to be overshadowed by the hero frags. The problem wasn’t only with the increased gold cost per use, it was the high gold cost for the low amount of cash back even on the first use. You just don’t get much cash for 10 gold at level 85. 10 gold for 76k cash is terrible. That’s basically 10 gold to get 1.5 skills leveled up past level 70. At level 55 you get 52k gold… so in 30 levels it only increase 24k gold. Meanwhile a level 55 skill cost 32k gold to upgrade vs 62k gold at level 85. That means the increased cash you get from level 55 to 85 isn’t even enough to cover the increased cost of ONE skill point. The cash received just didn’t scale well at all.
The gold change was a step in the right direction, but I really think the chances of hitting 2x, 5x, and 10x needed to be increased, or the overall cash from each exchange needed to at lest be doubled or tripled. That way it would at least help people get an extra few skills paid for per day.
Ulfpam… The new changes are only helpful for that first bounty… But long term this a huge decrease in daily frags. I dont mind spending $30 on a new hero. So dropping the frag count and maxing it doesn’t help me one bit. Currently w out reset I can farm 360 frags a month from coop alone as opposed to 240. Losing 120 frags a month to appease people who don’t pay, doesn’t seem fair.
