These are the rationalizations of people who lean too heavily on OP heroes. I sympathize, but pretending the problem doesn’t exist is disingenuous at best, and just willfully ignorant at worst. He needs re-tuning, and obviously so, and I sincerely hope - for the quality of gameplay - that he gets a nerf.
How many OP characters can a game have without them becoming just… Normal characters?
Any green non-support character will take down Dogface before he becomes too dangerous. At the same time Dogface can potentially take down any energy opponent without much trouble. So can Clyde. And Chesterfield.
Dogface is fine as he is. I would request for you to illustrate how he is OP ? I believe is all about team matching and composition, why don’t you post the matches that you said he is OP and I will tell you what went wrong to the match.
Like Markus said and as I had pointed out, any bio can take dogface down before he can make any threat or whither him down for follow up hits. One would have at least ONE Bio hero in their team composition right ?
Your argument lack justification for calling a nerf. Its more of YOUR own WILFUL IGNORANCE that calls for an unnecessary nerf.
Learn the game mechanics and which targets to hit.
Disclaimer, I do have Dogface, but he is not the strongest hero in my team and does not even go into my TOP PVP lineup. At most team 2 or 3 depending on team composition.
Name for me please any other hero who can clean up in PvP when all four of his team mates are down, through cover, and win 5-4. No, please - I’ll wait.
Depends on how many HP the other heroes have left
The big question here is, why is he last man standing? If you let him load his skills he gets dangerous. So kill him first or second, depending on the opposit team. And even if he is last man standing, he should be down before killing all your heroes, may killing one or two.
Like WalleWu says, why do you even allow dogface to live that Long
Your scenario and data is insufficient. Plus so many permutations of that scenario ( like depth of team, stars of heroes, how much health left etc). You have to do better in your argument
Frankly in my main team, I do not allow most Dogface to live past the 30sec mark !
Obviously he could do that against five energy heroes at a sliver of health. The problem is he can do it against almost anyone. Moreover, because he is OP people build support teams around him ensuring be gets at least one cooldown rotation off. That is all he needs to kill at least one hero, but usually more. The reluctance to admit a problem in the community speaks to theor reliance on an obviously imbalanced hero. That mirror can be hard to look in.
To be completely fair, he can take a few bios on 1vs1 without even using his skills. Like Maven, Ghoul or Artemis.
And once he has his skills active, he can win 1vs3/4. I know you shouldn’t allow him to survive that long, but with Drake, Caine and Flatline, it becomes a bit hard to kill him. You need to kill others first, which gives him enough time to start destroying even the tankiest bios.
I personally think a slight HP nerf would be good
(Tested on silver challenges, so there were no passive skills. We didn’t activate our skills and we didn’t do a single headshot. Headshots would give Dogface a bigger advantage over spread weapons like Maven’s that may have a hard time shooting accurately)
It does seem strange to me that when one single hero is in nearly every match, it’s not an immediate indicator that at least SOME rebalancing would be beneficial. I’m pretty surprised at how passionately some people are arguing that everything is perfect with his balance when it seems obvious that his usage rate is so disproportionately high.
Duh … of course DF (mech) can take on energy team. That is given for any mech ! A sample of my take down on an 8* plat DF.
A lot has to say of who the player is driving.
GTSaiko, it all depends on the stats of the opposing bio.
That picture doesn’t prove anything. I never said Dogface is OP and impossible to beat.
Is just that Dogface winning 1vs1 against Maven or Artemis on equal footing makes me think there is something wrong
Or how bout this scenario ? He had 2 bios ( mandrake )and 9* DF. My highest team power is just slightly higher than his lowest. And I was mismatch by 5k.
Granted I may have an advantage of 3mechs. But it all boils down to team composition and player experience.
It all depends on the hero stats right ? And the scenario of 1 v 1 plus you do know Artemis n Maven’s HP are not as high as DF right ?
Put DF up against Drake and tell me who wins !
From the get go the argument is flawed. No hero is built the same and no same player has the same team power and composition. Lastly it’s the players experience if all else are constant that will make the final difference.
If I 1v1 against DogFace using my Sentry, I win about 65% of the time.
I know all that. But Maven, Artemis and Ghoul lose 1vs1 against a mech hero, something they should win, because of elemental advantage, which is what you keep suggesting as solution against Dogface
I can’t think of any single energy hero who can win against Dogface. And I’d venture and say that barely any mech hero can. And I’m talking without using skills.
There are so many bio against DF, why must it be maven,ghoul or Art ? You are skewing it. Maven and Ghoul are not exactly tier 1 Bio heroes.
And naturally energy can’t take on mech or DF in that sense. Due to the element advantage p.
Clyde and take on DF. I should know. I had done that to DF and vice versa.
I’m ‘skewing it’ because not a single energy can win VS Dogface. But Dogface can win against, at least, 3 bios, maybe more (didn’t try them all because it got tedious).
I personally see balancing issues there.
Odachi, Drake can easily take not DF. I don’t think DF can take on 3 Bio and win. Unless the losing player is inexperience.
Gammond possibly can take on DF, but he’s nerfed now.
Your argument is skewed. Element advantage plays a part, so let’s not mis inform. Experience plays a part too.
Btw Yamilet is no slouch, he/she is at level 70 and also has as much days as my account.
I take down dogface easily, I have a good healing team, each one of my hero’s has a purpose, I don’t have a damage dealer in my team and I have no trouble with him.
It’s all about synergy
Btw I don’t use dogface, and I’m fighting around 49k power so don’t tell me I know nothing about a 10* plat dogface please
Agreed it’s all about team synergy. Same goes for my team too.